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Vaccines - the graphenes of the COVID world
Last Post 01/21/2022 10:40 PM by 79 pmooney. 184 Replies.
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longslowdistance
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| 12/21/2021 12:07 AM |
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| The Omicron tsunami is inevitable, it's already beginning in much of the US. Alas our US bureaucracy is paralyzed by fear of getting something wrong, so they end up focusing on pertinent data from a week or month ago. They do a splendid job of telling us where we were a month ago, and base current policy on that. Meanwhile a big wave will be crashing upon all of us very soon, but with some luck this wave, perhaps the last big wave might be a kitten rather than a lion. And if it is just a kitten's meow, how long will it take for the poobahs to hear meow instead of roar and respond appropriately and in a short time frame? |
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79pmooney
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| 12/21/2021 11:28 AM |
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I've been reading books on WW2; books where the US barely gets mentioned. Now it's "Russia's War". What strikes me is that the great leaders in war are clearly focused on the objective and are willing to sacrifice countrymen by the hundreds or even thousands where needed. (Not mentioned in my readings but a good example - Dwight Eisenhower who sacrificed the first wave of infantry at D-Day.)
Pandemics aren't altogether different. But part of what has to be sacrificed to "win" is civil rights. Had we a military general/admiral in a place to call the shots 22 months ago, he might well have seen what was working in Korea, shut down JFK, violated civil rights with as full contract tracing as could be done with cellphones and carriers, hospital records, etc. Maybe a Wall Street bubble burster. And done this so fast that it would be in place before the courts could act. He'd do all of this with speeches to the country on how we had to roll up our sleeves as a nation; as patriotic duty.
Sadly we had this man right where he needed to be; in the White House with a full committee, with the authority to act as needed in a national emergency, with a wealth of experience in disease and best of all, the training for and experience as a full naval admiral. One who's expertise was in supply, not leading ships. (The guy you would trust to get a few million test kits shipped correctly.) The clown put this man out to pasture 18 months before the virus got its name.
I've always had very mixed feelings re: our military. In my lifetime only a few times have we put it out there for good causes IMO and often both waffled and left it there far too long when we did. (I always liked Bill Clinton's Bosnia. Go in, hit hard, turn it over the the UN and get out. Now if we'd just passed on bombing the Chinese embassy.) But at the same time, I've always felt our military should have an Erwin Rommel or Georgi Zhukov (savior of both Leningrad and Moscow). And when they are needed, politics should be set aside. (Armies, ships, wars and pandemics led by politicians are failures. Exceptions are few enough to prove the rule. Had Stalin stepped back the Russian lives that didn't need to be lost runs 8 digits.) |
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Orange Crush
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| 12/21/2021 07:39 PM |
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Posted By Frederick Jones on 12/21/2021 12:07 AM
The Omicron tsunami is inevitable, it's already beginning in much of the US. Alas our US bureaucracy is paralyzed by fear of getting something wrong, so they end up focusing on pertinent data from a week or month ago. They do a splendid job of telling us where we were a month ago, and base current policy on that. Meanwhile a big wave will be crashing upon all of us very soon, but with some luck this wave, perhaps the last big wave might be a kitten rather than a lion. And if it is just a kitten's meow, how long will it take for the poobahs to hear meow instead of roar and respond appropriately and in a short time frame?
Yup, “exposure for most is 'inevitable'” that’s how fast omnicron is moving. We’ve surpassed the Delta case load in span of a week. I had to laugh when some countries announced travel restrictions for South Africa, the genie was long out the bottle by then: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-covid-19-case-numbers-1.6293995
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Cosmic Kid
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| 12/21/2021 08:24 PM |
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I had to laugh when some countries announced travel restrictions for South Africa,
And yet those same restrictions are in place, even though the omicron wave is well established here now.
They need to be rescinded immediately. Omicron didn’t start there, it is just where it was first detected…and they are being punished for it. |
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| Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
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longslowdistance
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| 12/21/2021 08:54 PM |
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I've long had a fantasy that a Covid variant would emerge that would be highly contagious, benign as the common cold (that being another coronavirus, or rather set of coronoviruses), and impart strong immunity. Omicron checks the first box, and plus minus the second (if you're basically healthy, looks good so far, time will tell). The third box is the biggest fantasy, as coronavirus immunity has long been known to be short term. Makes sense, as what evolutionary advantage is gained by never catching another common cold? Anyway, my hope is this big wave will add so much immunity at a tolerable price that this will be the last big wave, maybe for decades. Also, since I am making wishes, that it will pass soon, as I have travel plans for late Feb (second time in two years) to our polite neighbor to the north.
Fingers crossed. |
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Orange Crush
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| 12/23/2021 03:02 PM |
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The immunity part is perhaps doubtful given how radically different omnicron is from other (known) variants. Its so different they're still struggling to understand how it mutated. With Delta the dominant hypothesis seemed to be mutation within an unvaxxed population. For this one, given that's its origins can only be tied back to original outbreak, they are thinking perhaps a single immunocompromised person may have carried it all this time before it finally spread.
Lots of variables and unknowns. Anyway, the peak seems to have passed in South Africa so with that by end of Jan we may be out of woods again and your Feb trip could proceed. |
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longslowdistance
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| 12/23/2021 09:13 PM |
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| Hopeful. That would require a quick wave AND an agile bureaucracy. The latter is a rare thing. |
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Orange Crush
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| 01/02/2022 11:31 AM |
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Interesting read, the path to global vaccine equity may in fact lead through Cuba: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/commentary/cuba-covid-19-vaccine-vaccination-omicron-pandemic-2366491
Meanwhile Biden with his targeted disinformation on the good things happening in Cuba dropped about 10 notches in my opinion. Just another tool of special interests: https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/8/24/an-open-letter-to-president-biden-on-covid-19-vaccines-for-cuba |
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79pmooney
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| 01/02/2022 12:08 PM |
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| Interesting read, OC. Another reminder that when the s*** hits the fan, democracies, the need for freedom and our medical bureaucracy don't always work so well. (Cuba has first shots to 90% already and is currently vaccinating down to 2 years old! With vaccines rolled out in May. This despite a 60 year boycott from its next door neighbor; brought to nearly airtight by the previous administration and kept there by this one.) |
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Orange Crush
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| 01/11/2022 08:14 PM |
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Posted By Cosmic Kid on 12/21/2021 08:24 PM
I had to laugh when some countries announced travel restrictions for South Africa,
And yet those same restrictions are in place, even though the omicron wave is well established here now.
They need to be rescinded immediately. Omicron didn’t start there, it is just where it was first detected…and they are being punished for it.
More evidence of how backward and behind the facts that South Africa travel ban was. By the time omnicron hit the news it was already in Nova Scotia: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/omicron-was-in-nova-scotia-wastewater-before-it-was-identified-in-south-africa
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smokey52
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| 01/11/2022 09:39 PM |
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| You should realize that omicron is not the next letter in the Greek alphabet after delta. There were a bunch of variants in between; they just did not catch on. We are on the way to omega, but I doubt it will end there. |
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Orange Crush
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| 01/11/2022 11:58 PM |
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| Yes, episilon, the California stoner variant, was a dud as were a few others. They also skipped a couple letters. |
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longslowdistance
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| 01/12/2022 05:00 AM |
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Ben, I get your comparison of a medical grade mask and vaccination - but needs to be narrowed to the risk of getting Covid. Once infected, mask no help but vaccine big help.
PS N95 masks sold for construction workers are easier to get but aren’t as good. |
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79pmooney
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| 01/12/2022 10:21 AM |
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Posted By Frederick Jones on 01/12/2022 05:00 AM
Ben, I get your comparison of a medical grade mask and vaccination - but needs to be narrowed to the risk of getting Covid. Once infected, mask no help but vaccine big help.
PS N95 masks sold for construction workers are easier to get but aren’t as good.
I'll keep wearing those McMaster Carr $10 R95s. (N95 plus odors and mild acids) They fit really well (and fit has been stresses as much as the N from day one). The have a vent that I tape with Duck Tape (durable enough to survive multiple washes!) A great strap system. Behind the head but easy on and off plus really secure. No air leakage at all and just mild fogging of glasses on very cold days. I used to tape under the eyes with 3" masking tape in my boatbuilder days to stop that fogging but haven't so desecrated these yet.
Masks and vaccines - seatbelts and ABS brakes. Once infected those masks protect others. Vaccines merely lessen their exposure. Or back to bike tires, cord and compound. Good light, high thread count cord keeps that graphene tread n the road. |
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smokey52
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| 01/15/2022 09:56 AM |
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The granddaughter was exposed at daycare, but her PCR test came back negative. She stayed home a few days and is back at daycare. She is very comfortable wearing a mask but at two is still too young for a vaccination.
If she played tennis, she wouldn't need the vaccine. |
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